Bull market? Bear Market? Pig market?
I had done this piece for rediff in 2006. It is relevant today also 🙂
read on…
The most important animal in the markets is the pig. It gets slaughtered whether the bulls have a party or the bears have a party. That pig is your lay investor.
I am not a doomsday specialist or a day trader, but surely if one reads the papers one can see some gloom. Here are just some of the typical reactions on the street. (Taken from Mumbai based newspaper, DNA, dated Tuesday, May 23, 2006)
Narayandas Bajaj (75), a retail trader from south Mumbai, is on the phone, talking to his family, attempting to gently break the news of his Rs 600,000 loss over the past few days.
Forty-five year old Santhosh Balachandran, who works for a telecom-related business, is scribbling furiously on a paper to gauge his losses. The recent market volatility has shaved Rs 70,000 off his Rs 500,000 invested funds.
Entrepreneur Ramesh Mirchandani (40), an Ulhasnagar resident, is another investor grievously hurt in market crash. He lost Rs 80,000 last week, and more than Rs 250,000 on Monday.
Read carefully – these are all classic ‘market players’ (no these are not traders) masquerading as investors. God bless them. They will compound their mistakes. If they bought high, they will sell low. Then wait for the market to go up. Once the market goes to 15000, they will enter and expect the markets to defy gravity. But that will never happen.
There is only one thing certain about the markets – asset prices fluctuate. There is never a one-way journey. Economics never goes out of fashion. We just forget it from time to time. Here’s a reminder.
In stock market parlance, a ‘correction’ is usually taken to mean a downward swing of 25 per cent or more. As I type, the Sensex is off roughly 20 per cent from the high it touched earlier this month, which means we may still have a way to go before hitting correction territory.
Volatility is a nice word to hide bigger words like ‘melt down’. The markets are down, and may perhaps stay there. What one needs to understand, mathematically speaking is that for a 50 per cent fall in your portfolio to be recovered, the market has to go up 100 per cent. This is difficult. What it means is if you invested Rs 100 in the market, and the market fell 50 per cent from there, your investment will now be at Rs 50. For this Rs 50 to come back to Rs 100, the market has to double. To accept that is not easy.
Nonetheless, last week’s swoon propelled by this weeks’ crash has me wondering if the folks at the predictions shop are onto something.
Surely some of the data mavens think there’s a possibility that ‘a significant economic slowdown, or possibly a recession, could become increasingly obvious by the second half of 2006.’
Also keep in mind for 3 years we have believed that markets cannot come down, and interest rates cannot go up. That might be about to change. We believed that a 2-day fall would be followed by a rise. We believed that the market is fairly valued at 3000, 5000, 8000, 10000 and 12000. We may rethink. We believed that you could go to the terminal in the morning and come back richer at the end of the day with Rs 5,000 or Rs 50,000 simply by buying.
The bigger you bet, the greater was the gain. We may rethink on that. We believed that we could build our own portfolio and save the asset management charges that mutual funds charged. We may rethink on that.
The bottom line
Make no mistake: I think the key to being a successful long-term investor is designing a well-diversified asset-allocation game plan that suits your timeline and tolerance for risk, then sticking to it over the course of many years.
That said, it is possible to be intelligently opportunistic along the way. A top-notch fund that specialises in out-of-favor stocks is a great way to do just that. So remember these facts and find your way around them:
Mathematically speaking, for a 50% fall in your portfolio to be recovered, the market has to go up 100%
Asset prices fluctuate
Rakesh
Subra Sir,
Very well said, even though markets are doubled from Mar,2008 crash some of my stocks are still 50% down though some rallied over 300 %.
But the bottom line is we still stick to laggards with the hope of one day them make take off.
Rakesh
DM
Subra,
Bulls Eye.. to recover 50% loss we forget market need to go 100% up and the only way to probably fasten the loss recovery is to buy more..
But was just wondering , finally end of the day no matter how many SIPs one does , one needs to time the market to sell and realize profit in the portfolio. Ne thoughts on how to effectively profit from SIPs ?
Nakul Bajaj
“Mathematically speaking, for a 50% fall in your portfolio to be recovered, the market has to go up 100%”
I have been telling my clients the exact same thing…Woww….Now atleast i can say that i think on the same lines as Subra Sir. Proud day for me.
Rajeev
Subra,
Well said. I find your blog quite thought provoking.
The losses you mention are paper losses and not real. If you are a long term investor, there will be ups and downs in the NAV of your investments. Problem comes when the capital is a borrowed one. The common investor does not have this problem. When my holdings value wen down in 2008, there was concern but also glee because some of my favorites were available at very low prices.
I see a comment above asking for advise on how to time an exit? Can this be same as an negative SIP? Just like you put in money through SIP, there can be SWP for meeting monthly expenses in you retirement years. Many MF’s seem to be offering this facility. Any comments?
Rajeev
Sanjeev Bhatia
Subra,
Nice one, and relevant today as well.
@ Rajeev,
“The losses you mention are paper losses and not real.” is a wrong statement. We are anchored to ONLY the price at which we buy and don’t associate the missed opportunity cost. To explain the fact further, sensex came to its previous level after about 30 months. Technically, you may have “recouped” your “losses” assuming your investments also recoverd along with Indices, but where have you included the OPPORTUNITY COST for these 30 months?
STP (Systematic Transfer Plans) & SWP (Systematic withdrawl plans) are available in mutual funds for regular withdrawls. If you are invested in Equity mutual funds, the right approach would be to systematcially & periodically withdraw and transfer funds to Liquid/Debt funds AS YOUR GOAL APPROACHES ( 2-3 yrs before D-Day).
Rajeev
Sanjeev,
You seem to be confused. There is nothing like lost opportunity cost in real life. This is a fictitious term. Hind site is always 20:20. Whatever you do another analyst can prove what better could have been done. Best thing is to understand your goals and be happy if you meet them.
One has to be clear about his/her goal. The reason most people invest is stock market is to gain returns more than the inflation rate. If you achieve this over time,you have won. The ups and downs in share market have no meaning. The real loss is when you panic & sell at the bottom and put the money in bank FD. Mostly this happens due to various “smart” advisors mislead the common man.
Trying to time the market is never possible. Some of my best investments are where I have selected good companies and have remained invested for long term.
Are you a consultant or professional who earns living out of advising people?
Regards